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| | When I was a kid we accepted mistakes happen. Sometimes these mistakes and accidents were tragic other times they were simply lessons we learned through mkaing errors. Has NZ in your opinion become a society where we look to everyone else for the excuse or blame of why something bad has happened? IN car accidents we now examine them so thoroughly the MoT will happily hold up cars for 8 hours, even though it could be something as simple as a bit of oil on the road. When someone gets badly hurt in a rugby game there is a full investigation to find if anyone added to the liklihood of the injury occuring, be that players or ref's. Male teachers can't teach without suspicion of ulterior sickening motives, and have to be careful of physical contact with younger children for fear of prosecution or ongoing suspicion. There is no doubt that sometimes there is reason behind these investigations but these days it seems every single person that has something bad happen to them needs someone to blame, rather than accepting we make choices and sometimes those choices lead us to bad places. Have we become a culture that is so insecure we need to blame the consequences of our actions and decisions on others rather than face up to them? I believe we have become this culture. When I was younger I remember if you did something criminal, and were caught, you pleaded guilty not to get a shorter sentance but because you did it. Now we don't. Politicians argue their ways through an investigation when in truth they should've resigned from the start. Employees and Employers screwing each other over because they can get away with it and justify it with " Well the (other party) is to blame because of...." No-one ever says " I started it, I am to blame, I am acocuntable for this." anymore and this is a sad state of affairs to be in. |
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| | I hear what you are saying. Most of this l believe is to do with government departments. These departments have become so large, with no absolutely no idea of the real world, that they need to look at all these small details purely to keep themselves in a job. Rules rules rules forced on us, so that we don't have to think or take any responsibility.
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| | Aww victim culture what a wide open terminology that is? When I was brought up it was not so complex as it is now. I feel that the leadership within the home is perhaps the most detrimental coarse that NZ has taken over the years. My two eldest children were subjected to a world of technology and expectations of high standards in educations. When they entered school primary level there education sports and music stepped up our house hold into a realm that my husband & I accommodated with transport and finance fundraising and with that we had to squeeze both our jobs with split shift and 12 hour straight shifts. My children found it very hard to accommodate chores around the house and were forever making it just plain hard work for us all. There was always only a few parents who helped out with transport and fundraising and there seem to be lots of bickering amongst the adults. However you strive on and feel confidant that it is all for the good of there so important future. I do believe that there is a place for discipline structure and routine and that needs to start in the home at a very early stage of a child's life. With my youngest at preschool now I have found that we have gone backwards instead of forwards as far as allowing a child to develop the sense of being cared for by his or hers parents. In saying this though I do understand the need for parents to work full time and provide a roof over there heads and food on the tables. I am going to really break the boundaries that are set for the future in my own family I will not be subjected or subject my children to being amongst a generation who have no morals and lack the sensibility rules that you can only fully understand if you have a strong family grounding. Lazy, Victims, Anything goes, culture is absolutely amongst our society. It always was a wish by our forefathers that we never have to suffer the consequences of War, but I think we have gone over the top and boundaries have become as insecure as the once upon a time significance of our family tree. |
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| | so true not many can say. they have been trough life with out blaming some one else. for somethng,but the awfull facts is most of their blame is to the wrong people.. it stems from when they are children, they blame their brother or sister, or father or mother, when they can,t get their own way.(its attention seeking ) , but i thought when one became an adult, they grew out of it and knew in themselves thats how they were when they were kids. so why is it portayed in the busness and political sector, and in parliament, no wonder nz parliament is known as a kinder garden play ground.=== or is it a mistakes from their past they don,t want to deal with. honour thy father and mother, means, don,t blame them, just be understanding learn from thier mistake don,t repeat them, improve on them and teach . what ones learnt to ones children. |
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| | I was with a friend the other day, who lives in Sydney. Many expats come back to New Zealand and could never really fit in. New Zealanders seem very negative to many expats who have experienced the world. New Zealanders always seem to have some reason to complain about, or something to complain about. We just aren't a positive society.
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| | anti smoking. why not anti drinking. i stopped drinking alcohol at the age of 35. and don,t drink at allany kind of drink wine ex. but they say its illegally to blow smoke at others,(which i believe they shouldn,t try to tune into others lives and they wouldn,t inhale some one elses smoke) but when a person looks after their health. and doesn,t drink and those who do drink go to work and moan they have a hangover. .they extract others good health to keep them going for the day, if alcohol isn,t distroying no drinkers lives.=== then why is it so that when we wake up in the mornings we feel like we have been on the booze all night, =====the law say ones not allowed to smoke in public places, of material possessions. but ones are allowed to extract anothers good health. and shut it inside them. when they feel sick with to much booze the night befor. when their life style is continuously drink. the crutch of the matter is if. one distroys one lives by extracting their good health. then its legal. but if one is seen in public smoking, then its a crime against humanitary, what a pack of double standed. being brought in and made law, no wonder the systems talking spiritial talk to others. as spirtial talk isn,t illegall. i can,t see any use in teaching children to talk when young. . when they go into the system. and condemn those who the see smoking,put all the unimportant things first. and those things that are killing of others leave them to last, as the less public we have the more money for those who run rip shod over our lives. god dosen,t punish those who smoke drink or drugs. as doctor drugs are just as damaging,. he punishes those who, attack other lives. . pysically. verbally, or spiritally,. (turn the other cheek and let them slap that one,) one will always hear others who don,t smoke condenm those who do, take that out side it stinks, but when a non drinker has to put up with hangover when they haven,t drank, oh thats all right. as others can,t see their. drunkardness,. and most of none smoker are heavy drinker. and drug adicts,, what ever one does do it in morderation. |
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| | Because smoking can be directly harmful to others whom have no say over it. Drinking is only harmful to others if you as an individual behave as an idiot (drink drive, go to work hungover and so on). |
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| | That's no argument at all. Deaths caused by people who are intoxicated far outweigh those caused by second hand smoke. |
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| | Anything that is taken into the body in moderation will reduce your life span drinking smoking is part of our culture. However the more we ask questions about behaviours, patterns, of excessive use is probably where we have to actually look at weighing up if on the whole victim culture is amongst us and weather there is something serious within New Zealand culture to be addressed. Weather we die as victims or from excessive behaviours isn't it more important to actually take note of all that's happening around us and try and put plans into place so that we can live life without the excuse of Oh my god how could this of happened to me. I was reading bob's input on this matter and positivity is alive within New Zealand I believe that internationally the world is small and as negative as overseas people may see us doesn't actually validate a hell of a lot because perspectives culturally in the world all have there own concepts and I believe it is easy for another culture to misunderstand another. |
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| | As I'm sure you know marijuana is a big part of New Zealands culture. I'm no smoker (but used to be) and frankly enjoyed it generally. I would not say I was a big time "pot head" but more of a social smoker with friends and family. I understand some people smoke way to much and I understand it is not good for your health (once again in excess) - but making someone a criminal for smoking it - is just madness! I don't want my teenage children smoking it - I don't - but if you are an adult - whats the big deal? I'd rather have it sold through the state than allow the gangs make huge tax free profits. We need to start taking another look at this and start getting real. We just keep sweeping this under the carpet. I'd love to be able to sit down at the viaduct - having a beer and a cone with friends.
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