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| | I could be forgiven for thinking that NZ voters have been tricked, once again, not only about "a review of MMP" but about asset sales this time. I cannot let this go without reiterating: Government! These are not yours to sell! It's kind of like if you went on holiday and left me with your key so that I could water your plants and feed your cat and you came back and I had sold your house and was keeping the money. Wouldn't you be really angry about that? Anyway that's not the point, this is: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6017900/Access-denied-to-Treasury-papers-on-asset-sales The Ombudsman has turned down a request by the Greens for the release of Treasury advice on asset sales. After a two month investigation, Chief Ombudsman Beverley Wakem today released a final decision refusing the release of advice prepared for National on its proposed partial sale of four state-owned power companies and part of the Government's shareholding of Air New Zealand. Greens co-leader Russell Norman says the Ombudsman had failed to come down on the side of public interest, which was disappointing. "It means New Zealanders are going into Saturday's election not knowing the full picture of National's key election policy for 2011. "We can reasonably assume the information that is being suppressed shows that there are significant constraints on the Government in relation to limiting foreign ownership of our state-owned assets." National leader John Key must explain why his ministers seemed to be getting advice on extending privatisation to more state-owned assets than publicly admitted, he said. "The only explanation for National refusing to release advice on foreign ownership of foreign assets is that it contradicts what they have been saying in public. It proves they have something to hide." Dr Norman said international trade deals meant New Zealand couldn't simply put limitations on foreign ownership as Key had claimed. "The only sure fire way to keep our energy companies in New Zealand ownership is to not privatise them." Snip You know in theory all government employees and politicians "work for the people" (yeah, I know that's the biggest joke ever) so you could compare this to a bookkeeper for a private company claiming that the "books" were "private" and should not be seen by the company owner. I think the bookkeeper would pretty soon be looking for another job - when he/she got out of jail that is. I've heard some utterly ludicrous excuses for the ombudsman refusing to comply with the official information act, 1990, but this one "takes the cake". Hmmn, what do think "dishonest John" is hiding? |
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| I'm all for private/public ownership. It's a model that works and one that is made to look sinister by the left to get in the media. Firstly it's rich for Labour to say anything...they SOLD 9 billion of assets...all badly sold and all at undervalued prices. Soundly..we are not selling assets at all....we are simply moving money from the private sector to the public sector and this money (which goes to the tax payers) can be used in other assets such as a world class schools. This money won't be simply lost, it will be used very effectively by the John Key Govt.
The countries net worth does not reduce.....at all! The dividends are not as high as the Left want you to believe.
This argument of loosing dividends is another bullshit...yes it will reduce in the short term...but in the long term as the power companies become more efficient with good management the dividend will rise. Not to mention the new owners (NZ'ers) will also get these dividends an on those dividends they will pay tax (more offset).
Private/Public ownership works....just look at Air New Zealand.
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| | This is not about the morality - or lacktherof - of asset sales, but about John Key misrepresenting facts. He claims that he can put a limit on foreign ownership - he cannot do this. International trade deals mean that this is not possible. Why can he not just be upfront with us and tell the truth? It is about the ombudsman refusing to cooperate with the official information act, 1990, by claiming "what treasury does is private". That is utterly ludicrous, it is OUR money, OUR treasury. How can that be reasonably kept from us? John Key has talked about "mum and dad" shareholders. That is the silliest thing I've ever heard of. I don't know of ANY mums and dads who can afford to buy shares (shares in what they already own) or anybody who does not run a major corporation. Do you? So what NZers will get this "dividends"? You said "....and this money (which goes to the tax payers) ...." Now that is really weird, HOW does the money "go to the tax payers"? The truth is that we are all being tricked into believing that National is NOT selling something that is NOT THEIRS TO SELL, the "tax payer" owns them already, now they are being asked to "buy shares". Is that not theft by any other name? OK, so support the idea of flogging off power companies (amongst other things) and then watch the price of power ratchet up and up and up ..... I am not coming down on the side of the "greens" or anything (or any other political party for that matter) by saying this. I am just supporting HONESTY!!! I do agree with you that Labour sold $9 billion worth of assets, but that does not mean that they have no right to speak out against National doing the same thing. Two wrongs don't make a right. |
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| | Its a stupendous argument, sell assets, don't sell, and what is so funny we have the reality of it in our communities. It is a huge task these days to actually pay the bills and with their being very little jobs around that pay for a family of four to live asset sales will not meet the requirements needed for a family to survive in now days...That is the real problem for me, We have a obligations to ensure that everyone is feed warm and clothed...Even with the 400 hundred different types of social service providers available the reports are still struggling. Their is alot of bad bad bad classic economic bleeders who keep f........over 20people to ensure they get 500% gain. John Key was one of them himself before he arrived at the doors of National Political party 9years ago and look where he is today the PM of New Zealand Government. What frustrates me is that classic economic bleeders behaviours are not being given the seriousness that is needed to bring about a economic flow. Their is no sensible structured enforcement to stop Free Riding. We have slave labour in this country and we have the 1 family benefiting... It's bullshit and criminal yet it is accepted as Highclass Superior.... |
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