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RE: National Party down in the polls

Shooter — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:26:50 GMT

I had to laugh....on Agenda (TV1 Sundays) I was listening to this journalist who described the national party as "poll drunk". Thought that sounded pretty funny and can see where she was coming from. Can't say John Key comes across as that. It will be his team of guys (from the old school) who seem to be like that. i despise many of them as much as the labour dick heads.

That Phil Goff gets right up my nose. What a goose. did you see him on Eye to eye.

RE: National Party down in the polls

Shooter — Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:45:18 GMT

Yep its a circus all at our expense. Worst of all, us voters can do nothing about it.

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louise — Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:40:48 GMT

Ouch just looked up John Key's Face Book.

Wow he certainly has a lot of supporter's the expectation's of some of his supporter's are rather humorous.

I have yet to come across an actual policy that ensures that there would be an absolute influence of National becoming an all rounder team willing to go that extra mile for the better of the whole nation.

Gotta give it to the good old kiwi's though when they like someone they sure as hell have no problem's holding back on how much they hate someone else. It is a cold hearted place that government Job for us Kiwi's seem to more often than not back the ultimate winner's it's a crazy kind of pressure society is under and we all forget about YesterYears experience's I don't know guess we get as good as we vote. LOL.

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Crossword — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:58:31 GMT

1 party state ?!?! No thanks.

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ManukauFulla — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:03:58 GMT

This is Y we need a 1 party state Or at least make the formation of political
partys illegal if they were all made 2 act individually we wouldnt have this
C-saw politics were every couple of years the oposite pary takes over the same old
policy adds Afew new trinkits each time but not really doing much of what us normal
folk would call work individually each member has to speak for themselfs
and what laws/legislation they belive would benifit the country, as far as a leader
goes we could elect our prim-minister from amoungst the already elected cabnit,
like vote for the cabnit every 2 years and PM each 3 years.

RE: National Party down in the polls

louise — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:49:55 GMT

Guess National has hit the spot where most will find benefits from there plans to reduce crime amongst our youth.

I know that there has been an evidence lately of youth crazed killings and personally it is of no surprise for the making's of this behaviour has been brewing for over 15 years and yes slap a bracelet on them send them to a military base camp and ask the courts to do there Job.

Just on another level I am not sure if you would all remember but our youths were in the media 2005 & 6 with a significant rise to suicide and to my knowledge it hasn't actually dissolved overnight there has just been more violence to report.

There is something that is missing in National's Plans and that is integrity what they say and actually do are 2 significant area's where they have let NZ down and the proof is in there pasts leadership. Substance of action has never been a high priority for some reason they have an idea and yes really truly believe in it but you open the cap of that idea and what is actually inside it is a whole lot of nothing just an existing programme with an ownership change.

Granted the bracelet is very original and when National get in an put it in place they will find that the whole 35 million has just been sucked up, it is a very expensive and infallible priority but cool why not.

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Crossword — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:54:57 GMT

You're not wrong there!

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louise — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:13:48 GMT

Understand a little more, never stop learning, listening, and weighing out a way to a mean's that brings passion and purpose to the existance of life.

Doesn't directly have anything to do with who rules government but sure as hell help's me paddle up stream where the tide and flow is perfect one minute and can change in a moment.

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louise — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:36:45 GMT

Cheers Crossroads u know you seriously should see if there is any room in your life to become a politician I have a feelin you have a makings of one maybe even a leader I give you my vote 4 sure.

RE: National Party down in the polls

Crossword — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:17:44 GMT

The UN includes regulatory and compliance costs in their overview.

Example- GST on rates has gone up because our rates have gone up. Our rates have gone up because property vlaue has gone up, because of a false growth in the property. Its false because it has been driven by overseas rather than domestic indicators.

Other areas of increased tax not often thought of

- trusts and gift tax- this has changed in the last year.

- increased compliance costs regarding OSH, ACC, Employment.

- Personal tax is disproportionately high when you consider the ongoing surplus's the governments run. An NZ government isn't meant to run at a billion dollar surplus year to year. Why you may ask? because it shows the government is more focused on revenue than on governing. IE they are not spending OUR money for the things they tell us we need to be taxed on. IE health, policing , education etc... Lets put that in perspective. At the last budget the surplus was in excess of 6.5 billion dollars- that is $2,000 for every NZer there is. That $2000 per person in regards ot a company is called profit.

- Hidden taxes- like petrol, diesel, road user charges, hidden fees, excise taxes.

The UN then works out based on the average income how much of their income goes in tax. Through direct and indirect taxation the average in NZ is %49- almost half our income.

Nationals 2005 policy may or maynot still be in place. But Labours ongoing policy fosters reliance on the government continually and that is not healthy.

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louise — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:12:46 GMT

To be fair to national I am going on just what they have up on site which is 2005 policies.

I was reading about the housing crisis and found that if you applied national's 2005 policie's the country today would probably find that we would have either very similar crisis's and little signs of better or worse accountability for reason's why's we are in the state we are now.

I still am baffled as to why we are so over taxed and the reason's though many given by our economist's truly don't balance when positive evidence is shown when comparing to the world and there advancements.

I guess I realise that people have the right to personal choice, and in the end it is probably better to vote with who you prefer than actually participating in seeing the party actually lead the country.

For me I will just have to look into working out how to understand the economy more for I only briefly have an understanding of it and it is a very valuable point you have made crossroads.

Ya see I not only pay tax in my primary & secondary wage but also in our savings and all though I live on very basic theories this system has given us many benefits as far as not being in debt and pursuing interests that we individually find a passion for.

Ya see I personally have never felt the need to take a mortgage out to own a house. I don't live in a state house either but for some dumb reason I just never had enough money to buy a house to me in the last 24years of my responsible life I have always thought that one day I would be able to purchase a house without a mortgage. Personally on our wage's a mortgage has alway's seem to me to be too restricted to my lifestyle. I know I am paying someone else's mortgage but alway's the rent has been 3/4 cheaper than a mortgage once taken rate's insurance's into account and our little wage's would be still paying off a mortgage if we had taken the plunge because our lifestyle would've meant we would of had to take a second mortgage to have all that we have achieved in our life.

I have insurance policies life contents car as well as a super kiwi saver and medical and my two young adults are both set up in a way that there finance will grow so that they can purchase a home with a mortgage for there wage's are way above average and they can afford to pay off a mortgage without the fear of having to concurring any more debt, to sustain a good quality of life.

When we realised this ten years ago we decided that it was the best decision for our income and although most of our life we will not own a home if we plan it right we will own out right a unit within a retirement village, with a healthy bank balance. I mean living in one community for all of ya life has great value and there are plenty of investors that will allow you to do that, at the end of the day middle of the road people go into a home try to balance the check book accommodate so much into the battle of enough not enough and for what to have the opportunity to give it away on some centennial plan.

I sort of get that there is a certain amount of debt that needs to be taken on to create a healthy economy and I am very thankful to those that have but I just couldn't afford too.

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Crossword — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:57:27 GMT

Shooter ,

I don't dispute that, but their roots are the core structures of Labour's originals policies (take Helen out of the picture.) and if they are willing to compromise their ideals to just get into power I really have even less time to support them.

Louise,

To be fair I have not heard alot from National on policy- but tax cuts across the board have been mentioned- and according to the UN we are the most over taxed society taking wages and so on into account bar Norway.

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louise — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:29:10 GMT

Can some one tell me what is it about National Policies that are driving our society to vote for them?

I am trying to understand by reading up on National Policies as to why they would be better leaders so far I haven't found any evidence to convince me of that.

The only thing I would like changed is Micheal Cullen's finance Budget and even then it is only because of my short term need to cut back on my hours I work.

All the other departments certainly need a redirection but there is nothing in National policies that offer that.

My biggest fear with National is there lack of identifying as a middle of the road value to society there seems to be missing in there Policies a reality as to what makes a society cycle healthy.

Labour seems to be working things out very consistently and quietly the only bumps and gripes that I have had are really only of value to what I am striving for, but I must admit that on the whole given what little we have to go on I truly don't get the purpose of placing National as leader's.

Like I truely get it this is what the people want but to get to the nitty gritty bone's of it all what's the bloody differance between the two, and is that differance significant enough to make jo blogs pay the extra dollar to do so?

Just for once in my life I would love to be part of a vote that actually meant that that party who I gave my vote too got in, so please I really would like to know why National policies would make a significant differance to what we have now?

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Shooter — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:02:27 GMT

The Maori party is made up of disgruntled Labour Party MP's. The leadership hate Helen and will not back her which leaves them only in a position to get some traction with National. Their voters will do whatever the party advises them to do at the polling booth. Not all Maoris are 'left.' National is more left than right and National will rule after the next election. The small parties (ACT, Dunn and Moari party) will need to make a deal with National otherwsie they will get nothing achieved.

If the landscape doesn't change it will be the staus quo. None of us want this. Hardly anybody likes the current situation.

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Crossword — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:21:06 GMT

Posh,
You're not really thinking this through. The Maori party is formed by former labour ministers. National will never directly support a growth in bureaucracy (thank God! Even the UN criticized NZ on the size of our public service.), and the Maori party will probably boost numbers in the portfolios it could hold. None of the Maori party members are exactly focused on creating a more efficient governing body because this would require many bureaucrats loosing their jobs, thus isolating themselves within government.

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louise — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:55:47 GMT

Aww I wish that National and Labour were close but National are going for gold and it is looking like Labour are opting for second in line.

Maori Party and National not sure how that would work it certainly would make things interesting unfortunately the dynamics of the two parties maybe a bit of a hit and miss when it comes down to serious issues and well it's not the kind of politics I would like to see for the country.

Stranger things have happened so it is not over until the fat lady sings I guess.

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Posh — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:55:06 GMT

Isn't this year going to be interesting. Many people say National (being way ahead in the polls) will piss in....but will they? I wouldn't cross Helen off the list. Lets face it she is pretty good with the spin and in the end I'd say whoever wins it's going to be close.

National will need to get the Maori party in with them otherwise they simply won't get the numbers. A friend of mine came up with a fantastic idea. Get National to give the Maori party the social welfare and correction portfolios.

They are the right people for the job. I'd back an idea like that.

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Crossword — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:33:10 GMT

The media do like to jump on Labour as much as National. Its just ones own view skews or reacts to something more than other.

The real issue with the media is how they like to make small things big but hate to actually investigatre real issues. Why you may ask? Because its cheaper and sensationalised, thus making it more appealing to a broader audience.

In other words its the media being lazy.

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Posh — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:26:37 GMT

Hasn't this all changed! Since my original post in July 06 the media has done a full circle. Now John Key is well in charge, way ahead in the polls. Personally I feel Helen does not really have her sights on winning. She is ready to move on and work on the world stage.

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Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:15:54 GMT

I kind of agree with your point of view Winston. I'd not looked at it like that. I just wish we could stop disagreeing on issues based on political power. We live in a great country. I just think we could do so much better. Yeah you are right National does not have any better leadership - which is a shame.

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Winston001 — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:59:16 GMT

Ok punk - do you feel lucky?

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Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:20:13 GMT

I hate it when people don't agree with my ideas. you'll be the first on my list to remove from your home.

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Winston001 — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:03:48 GMT

1 (24/07/2006)

We need some real leadership in this country. Why can't we have one party working specifically for our interests and not theirs?

Er.......yes. Robert Mugabe agrees with you. As does Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Ill...........

Essentially the vigour of humanity comes from variety. Differing points of view. If we all agreed with each other, it would be a boring world. Dangerous too because we might not collectively recognise mistakes. We certainly wouldn't have innovation which is only possible because individuals think outside the square.

No-one has all the right ideas. So we are much better to have a Parliament with political divisions where different ideas can be argued.

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Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:25:02 GMT

We need some real leadership in this country. Why can't all the political parties get together to make policies that work for everybody? Why do we have to have different parties? Why can't we have one party working specifically for our interests and not theirs?

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Winston001 — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:15:41 GMT

Most journalists have an academic background. Few of them have ever owned a business. A bit like the Labour MPs!

Their world-view is skewed towards a nanny state which is all they have ever known.

To be fair, National don't have any strong policies to attract attention yet.

National Party down in the polls

Posh — Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:12:32 GMT

Why is it the media look so smug when they see right wing politics struggling. The media in this country is so 'left' in my view. What has happened to neutral reporting. I couldn't believe at the last election how blatant the media aligned themselves with Labour.